From: Lynn McIntosh [faiml@uswest.net]
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2000 12:30 PM
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Subject: FAIML #483; Nov. 24, 2000

Ferret Adrenal/Insulinoma Mailing List (FAIML) #483; Nov. 24, 2000  


There are five messages in today's list:     

DEW with Yellow Tail
Texas Adrenal ferret 
Ligating the Vena Cava 
Followup on Dr. Weiss' visit to New Mexico 
possible adrenal ferret  


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Date sent:      Thu, 23 Nov 2000 16:27:13 EST
From:           	StacyRayburnS@aol.com
Subject:        	DEW with Yellow Tail

In a message dated 11/23/00 10:23:06 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
faiml@uswest.net writes:  

I am new to this system and my ferret is a white with dark eyes.  She is 
turning orange on her tail and at the base of her hair follicles.  Any ideas. 

Thanks, Stacy  


Date sent:      Tue, 21 Nov 2000 15:20:57 -0600
From:           	"rhouse6170" <rhouse6170@email.msn.com>
Subject:        	Texas Adrenal ferret

Anyone know of a vet in San Antonio Texas who will do surgery on a 
ferret? My little guy needs to get worked on but I can't find a vet who 
wants to do the surgery.

Thanks,

rhouse6170@msn.com


Date sent:      Wed, 22 Nov 2000 09:07:10 -0800 (PST)
From:           	"meesh meesh" <meeshmeesh1@yahoo.com>
Subject:        	Ligating the Vena Cava

Hi, Just wondered if any vets and ferret owners could comment on 
(right) adrenal surgeries where the vena cava has been completely 
ligated (= totally tied off, so to speak).  I know it's not routine but has 
been done on occassion by some vets. I'm curious as to the experience 
of vets and owners and how ferrets have done, special circumstances 
you may have noticed that make such a procedure more successful, less 
successful, what sorts of complications/symptoms occur post-op, etc.  

Any input is appreciated

Thanks,
Michaela Maurice
College of Veterinary Medicine
Ohio State University
Class of 2002

ps. I'm going to get the article by Susan Brown on Male Ferrets and 
Prostatic Disease (particularly as it relates to adrenal disease) scanned 
into my computer this weekend. So far, two people have expressed 
interest in this article. If anyone else is interested, just let me know. Be 
happy to pass it along.  

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Date sent:      Tue, 21 Nov 2000 07:29:16 +0000
From:           	Linda.Doran@att.net
Subject:        	Followup on Dr. Weiss' visit to New Mexico

A few weeks ago, at the end of October, Drs. Charlie Weiss and 
Michael Treitler operated on 18 ferrets at the Cedarwood Veterinary 
Clinic in Santa Fe, New Mexico. That's a lot of ferret surgeries for this 
part of the country. Dr. Weiss demonstrated cryosurgery for 
adrenalectomies as well as other ferret surgeries such as partial 
pancreatectomies. Drs. Weiss and Treitler operated on ferrets from 
throughout the state of New Mexico from about noon to 9 a.m. on 
Saturday, Oct. 28, and resumed early the following morning.  

As far as I know, all the ferrets are doing well. Some had bilateral 
adrenal tumors in addition to pancreatic tumors, which Drs. Weiss and 
Treitler removed. Dr. Treitler now has the equipment in his clinic to do 
cryosurgery for adrenalectomies in ferrets. To the best of my 
knowledge, he is the only vet in New Mexico with the equipment and 
expertise to do so.  

Dr. Weiss is available to conduct similar demonstrations elsewhere 
(many thanks to Beth Comarow in the D.C. area for letting us know 
about this in the first place). During his visit, Dr. Weiss mentioned that 
he had discussed similar demonstrations with veterinarians in Florida 
and New York. If other ferret owners and vets on this list are interested 
in hosting Dr. Weiss, I recommend that you or your vet look up Dr. 
Weiss at ferretdoctor.com on the Web and give him a call.  

Lucky Charm had her second partial pancreatectomy during Dr. Weiss' 
visit. Her first one was conducted only four months prior, suggesting that 
her insulinoma was fairly aggressive. The second tumor was bigger. It 
took her three days to recover to the point where she was up and about 
again. However, there is no doubt that she has a lot more energy and 
spunk than she had before the surgery and I can see that she feels much 
better.  

          Linda, Lucky Charm, Chocolate Moose, & Zipper


Date sent:      Tue, 21 Nov 2000 08:01:07 -0500
From:           	"katharine" <shurcool@tdo.infi.net>
Subject:        	possible adrenal ferret

Laura wrote:
<I would also like to know what to expect for the cost and length of
the  surgery, typical recovery times and survival rates, and anything
special I can do to make Clint's recovery quicker if he has to have
surgery.<

I'm in Tallahassee, Florida.  My Dillon had his left adrenal gland 
removed yesterday so I can give you the price in this area.  I also had 
his teeth cleaned so when I take off the teeth cleaning and the amoxicillin 
(for the teeth cleaning), the actual surgery was right under $300.  I 
attended the surgery and, from start to finish, it was about one hour.  
That's from the time I walked back with him, prep, surgery, teeth 
cleaning, and getting him to post-op.  

As for post-op care, you just have to go with your instincts.  I separate 
mine for several days and will let them have supervised playtimes after 
the first 2-3 days, if they seem ready for it.  After about a week, I let 
them go back into the cage with the others.  Some people keep their 
separated until the stitches come out but, again, I go on instinct and 
what feels right.  There is no hard and fast rule.  I let them guide the 
healing process to a certain extent, recognizing that they don't totally 
know what's best for them <g>.  

Since Dillon had surgery and his teeth cleaned, I will keep him on soup 
and softened kibble for a couple of days and then move him back to 
hard kibble gradually.  

Talked to my vet about using glue instead of stitches (Mike, I remember 
you addressed this on the FML a few days ago).  My vet hates the glue 
and only uses it for cat declaws.  He talked for some time about it but, 
getting beyond the medical stuff, I think he was saying that it forms such 
a tight seal that he has seen some nasty abcesses from it.  Any infection 
stays inside as it has no way to escape.  He also said that, in his 
experience, animals tend to mess with it more than stitches.  He said to 
think about how it feels to get glue on your fingers and how it drives you 
crazy.  Just another opinion.  

BTW, other than looking like a pitiful little boy, Dillon is well this a.m.  I 
fed him some soup a while ago and he ate every drop.  

Katharine


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